Comments on: Who loses out to X-UA-Compatible? http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/ Morethanseven is where Gareth Rushgrove plays with the web Fri, 16 May 2008 05:32:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: araba http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8767 araba Tue, 06 May 2008 19:38:55 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8767 XP SP3 is not upgrading to IE7 and continue to use virtual pc or something like that to test your design in IE6 with lots of pain. XP SP3 is not upgrading to IE7 and continue to use virtual pc or something like that to test your design in IE6 with lots of pain.

]]> By: pauldwaite http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8439 pauldwaite Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:28:27 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8439 > By changing the contents of the meta element (or the header) we can trigger the rendering engine to use IE6, IE7 or IE8. I don’t think IE 6 is an option. Thankfully. > By changing the contents of the meta element (or the header) we can trigger the rendering engine to use IE6, IE7 or IE8.

I don’t think IE 6 is an option. Thankfully.

]]> By: Tecnología AMPM | El blog de AMPM Soluciones que repasa las noticias más relevantes del rubro » Internet Explorer 8.0: modo Super Estandar http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8286 Tecnología AMPM | El blog de AMPM Soluciones que repasa las noticias más relevantes del rubro » Internet Explorer 8.0: modo Super Estandar Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:38:22 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8286 [...] del ActiveX() y el document.all, y desarrolladores como John Resig, Anne van Kesteren, Gareth Rushgrove o Roc (de mozillazine) han tachado la iniciativa de inútil y perjudicial para el desarrollo web en [...] [...] del ActiveX() y el document.all, y desarrolladores como John Resig, Anne van Kesteren, Gareth Rushgrove o Roc (de mozillazine) han tachado la iniciativa de inútil y perjudicial para el desarrollo web en [...]

]]> By: Jamie Strachan http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8272 Jamie Strachan Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:46:56 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8272 I just read your post while I was writing my own on the subject and we seem to not have similar positions but similar thought processes as well. I hadn't really thought in depth about the benefit to us developers if MS starts producing new IE versions with all the old engines built in but I'm all for anything that simplifies browser testing. I just read your post while I was writing my own on the subject and we seem to not have similar positions but similar thought processes as well. I hadn’t really thought in depth about the benefit to us developers if MS starts producing new IE versions with all the old engines built in but I’m all for anything that simplifies browser testing.

]]> By: Signals from Mars » Blog Archive » IE8 and Version Targeting: Who Really Loses? http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8271 Signals from Mars » Blog Archive » IE8 and Version Targeting: Who Really Loses? Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:32:42 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8271 [...] read Who loses out to X-UA-Compatible? over at Morethanseven while this post was in draft and was surprised by the similarity to this [...] [...] read Who loses out to X-UA-Compatible? over at Morethanseven while this post was in draft and was surprised by the similarity to this [...]

]]> By:   IE8 Version Targeting causes quite a stir by Mandala Air http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8265   IE8 Version Targeting causes quite a stir by Mandala Air Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:23:24 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8265 [...] Zeldman steps up to defend the idea John ‘jQuery’ Resig thinks the new tag is worthless Gareth Rushgrove tentatively approves of the change Dean Edwards posts some pertinent quotes from the WHATWG mailing list Roger Johansson doesn’t [...] [...] Zeldman steps up to defend the idea John ‘jQuery’ Resig thinks the new tag is worthless Gareth Rushgrove tentatively approves of the change Dean Edwards posts some pertinent quotes from the WHATWG mailing list Roger Johansson doesn’t [...]

]]> By: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » IE8 and versioning - very worrying developments http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8264 Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » IE8 and versioning - very worrying developments Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:04:38 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8264 [...] Who loses out to x-ua-compatible? [...] [...] Who loses out to x-ua-compatible? [...]

]]> By: wortwart http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8263 wortwart Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:11:33 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8263 I do think XHTML2 was a good idea. Sometimes it's necessary to start again - as the people did in 1997/8 with Mozilla and as they should do with e-mail and also with IE. But I think it's a horribly bad idea to freeze bad web design in the client engine. I do think XHTML2 was a good idea. Sometimes it’s necessary to start again – as the people did in 1997/8 with Mozilla and as they should do with e-mail and also with IE. But I think it’s a horribly bad idea to freeze bad web design in the client engine.

]]> By: Dave Woods - HTML, CSS, Web Design » Will my site break in IE8? http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8262 Dave Woods - HTML, CSS, Web Design » Will my site break in IE8? Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:23:45 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8262 [...] Gareth Rushgrove [...] [...] Gareth Rushgrove [...]

]]> By: gareth http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8261 gareth Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:27:39 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8261 @Chris My take exactly. "John Resig":http://ejohn.org/ has some "great points":http://ejohn.org/blog/meta-madness/ about the whole thing. I'd only briefly considered things from a Javascript point of view but will be interested to see the solutions mentioned by Chris Wilson in the comments. Having your typical website _frozen in time like it's IE7_ when released could be a good thing for data on the web. @Neil It's exactly that sort of problem that this solution is trying to solve. But don't think of this in terms of a way of targeting different browsers - that way lies madness. @Adam Maybe true, but that may help with being able to drop IE6 support in the medium term. I think Microsoft will do their best to kill off that browser as well. @Chris My take exactly. John Resig has some great points about the whole thing. I’d only briefly considered things from a Javascript point of view but will be interested to see the solutions mentioned by Chris Wilson in the comments. Having your typical website frozen in time like it’s IE7 when released could be a good thing for data on the web.

@Neil It’s exactly that sort of problem that this solution is trying to solve. But don’t think of this in terms of a way of targeting different browsers – that way lies madness.

@Adam Maybe true, but that may help with being able to drop IE6 support in the medium term. I think Microsoft will do their best to kill off that browser as well.

]]> By: Pixelbox » Versioning for HTML, or Microsoft saving face? http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8260 Pixelbox » Versioning for HTML, or Microsoft saving face? Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:10:22 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8260 [...] involvement Jeremy Keith Andy Budd Ethan Marcotte Zeldman defends the idea John ‘jQuery’ Resig Gareth Rushgrove Roger Johansson Rachel Andrew Meta tags: Development There are no comments [...] [...] involvement Jeremy Keith Andy Budd Ethan Marcotte Zeldman defends the idea John ‘jQuery’ Resig Gareth Rushgrove Roger Johansson Rachel Andrew Meta tags: Development There are no comments [...]

]]> By: Skip Chris http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8259 Skip Chris Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:06:46 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8259 Works for IE, won't trouble other browsers. Winner. I think the majority of haters maybe haven't experienced commercial reality ground zero. However - more importantly - decent topical bracamp row to start? Works for IE, won’t trouble other browsers. Winner. I think the majority of haters maybe haven’t experienced commercial reality ground zero.

However – more importantly – decent topical bracamp row to start?

]]> By: Internet Explorer 8.0 modo super estandar | aNieto2K http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8258 Internet Explorer 8.0 modo super estandar | aNieto2K Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:48:05 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8258 [...] tiempo del ActiveX() y el document.all, desarrolladores como John Resig, Anne van Kesteren, Gareth Rushgrove o Roc (de mozillazine) que han tachado la iniciativa de inútil y perjudical para el desarrollo web [...] [...] tiempo del ActiveX() y el document.all, desarrolladores como John Resig, Anne van Kesteren, Gareth Rushgrove o Roc (de mozillazine) que han tachado la iniciativa de inútil y perjudical para el desarrollo web [...]

]]> By: Adam http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8257 Adam Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:11:15 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8257 From reading the article it looks like non-inclusion of the header/meta will result in an IE7 rendering - so I infer from that that you cannot reproduce an IE6 render (bang goes our all-in-one testing platform). My initial reaction was also along the lines of "bloated IE" and "what happens to pregressive rendering", but it seems there are ways around at least the latter. From reading the article it looks like non-inclusion of the header/meta will result in an IE7 rendering – so I infer from that that you cannot reproduce an IE6 render (bang goes our all-in-one testing platform).
My initial reaction was also along the lines of “bloated IE” and “what happens to pregressive rendering”, but it seems there are ways around at least the latter.

]]> By: Neil http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8255 Neil Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:15:59 +0000 http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/#comment-8255 Gareth, when do you expect X-UA-Compatible to become commonplace (or mandatory)? I'm all for anything that make it easier to target specific versions of IE. As a Mac user, installing multiple version of IE on Parallels and testing on them is a pain. My dream is to have an Mac native version of IE8, and a rendering engine 'quick swap' feature via a drop-down box. I can dream! I've actually suffered more at the hands of IE7 than IE6. My current site has a couple of nasty hacks in IE7 conditional comments stylesheets. Gareth, when do you expect X-UA-Compatible to become commonplace (or mandatory)?

I’m all for anything that make it easier to target specific versions of IE. As a Mac user, installing multiple version of IE on Parallels and testing on them is a pain. My dream is to have an Mac native version of IE8, and a rendering engine ‘quick swap’ feature via a drop-down box. I can dream!

I’ve actually suffered more at the hands of IE7 than IE6. My current site has a couple of nasty hacks in IE7 conditional comments stylesheets.

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